jack lew is not that man. we heard the announcement live on c-span, and it's available to watch on c-span.org. >> if you ask how many are self-identified libertarians, those who describe themselves as libertarian, depending which poll, could be 10%-15%. if you ask questions like, if you give people a battery of questions about different ideological things, like, do you believe in x or y? you track those to different ideologies, then depending on which poll, you get up to 30% of americans calling themselves libertarians. are you economically conservative but socially liberal, over half of americans say that's what they are. now, that said, just because people say these things, doesn't mean they really believe them. if you ask americans do you want smaller government, they say yes. if you want government to spend less money, they say yes. but if ask them to make cuts, they don't want to cut anything. it's not clear if they really believe in it. best on the data i have in writing the book, i say roughly somewhere